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Master Sergeant MacRobert
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2015.03.07 16:42:48 -
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I've not read this thread.
It has been proposed before (once by me). At the end of the discussion I agreed suspect flagging is not reasonable.
What is reasonable is no pilot receives a suspect flag or a sec status penalty when aggressing first inside a plex.
They should just be considered no mans land and therefore "enter at your own risk". Then militia pilots are not penalised for defending themselves whilst doing there job.
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Master Sergeant MacRobert
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:19:39 -
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Mag's wrote:Deacon Abox wrote:I don't see why any pirate, pirates that pride themselves on -10 or whatever, should really care what happens to the other guys sec status. The only reason pirates care is because they know their entry grants an advantage. It makes the militia guy inside the plex have to decide not only whether he wants the particular fight, but also whether he will get a sec hit and wants the security hit. Unlike the majority of pirates, the majority of fw players do not look forward to achieving a -10 sec status. That extra split second advantage can translate into a tactical range or drone deployment or ewar lock or whatever for the entering pirate. This is the only reason why pies in the fw warzones oppose removal of the sec status hit to a militia member in a fw plex. You do realise that shooting a guy with -5 and below, does not give you a sec hit right? So what advantage does entry grant them?
Since the introduction of tags for sec status your definition of what constitutes a pirate is out dated and void.
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Master Sergeant MacRobert
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:05:03 -
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Terra Chrall wrote: This argument seems like it is the pirates that want things to be easy. There are no neutrals entering FW plexes unless they are noob and don't know what it is. In that case just add a warning to the entry gate with a confirmation box that you agree to be flagged by enttering.
TO amend your analogy: A neutral "reporter" in body armor carrying an M-16 charges at a checkpoint. Why oh why would anyone shoot them? No if an armed gunman, no military uniform on, charges a military complex they are most likely going to be shot and the soldiers on duty are not going to be in trouble they are going to be praised for doing their job.
I have to agree with the OP on this. Many pirates will disagree because they have been able to exploit this to their favor. I.E the FW militia person waits for the pirate to initiate or they suffer the sec penalty and the pirate does not. Either way the pirate has the advantage.
And joining FW does not mean one has to be a pirate, so why force them with a bad mechanic? Plex gates could warn non-FW of being flagged, if pirates want to pirate they still can, this does not stop them from doing what they intended to do anyway.
Gameplay & mechanics > everything else
The design needs to serve the mantra "what promotes more Player interaction (PVP)".
Some "neutral" low-sec players claim the suspect flag disadvantages them (and I agree). They should not have to carry a suspect flag after entering a plex that is suddenly empty (cost for no return).
By the same mantra opportunities for PVP are lost because the Militia pilot is obligated to take a sec hit or suspect flag. Either coz the Militia pilot will choose to flee (not soo likely with a combat pilot) or he/she won't be in a plex later as he fixes the sec status.
Arguing that they should use an alt is weak. Plenty of people are on one sub. Particularly casual players. Particularly parents. This game is 11 yrs old. Plenty of time for sproggs to appear.
Consider all play styles when throwing up "solutions".
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Master Sergeant MacRobert
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:27:01 -
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Mag's wrote: Oh please, what relevance does that have? Bearing in mind I was directly addressing his remark regarding those of -10.
If you're going to try and state anything as fact in regards to sec status and tags, then at least come with evidence. It's a fact those of -5 and below are shootable without penalty, so what facts do you bring?
Wrong
Mag's wrote:Bearing in mind I was directly addressing his remark regarding those of -10. ...
Deacon Abox wrote:I don't see why any pirate, pirates that pride themselves on -10 or whatever... ... ...
Pirates do not wear >minus 5 badges like they used to.
I am happy you don't like the proposal from the Op. It is not reasonable to give suspect flags upon entering a plex, to anyone.
It is also not reasonable that Militia pilots are albeit forced to take a sec status hit and suspect flag for defending a FW plex (and yes we are obligated to fire first).
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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